Lancelot Du Lac
Nov. 27th, 2011 12:23 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
gateslackerI was going to post about how I've watched more television in the last week than I have in the last 6 months! I am almost caught up with Leverage (I still love you, Hardison!!). I literally mainlined the last 12 episodes of season two of Glee because they finally went streaming on Netflix and, for some reason, when I watch that show I can't seem to stop until I am done (and I don't even know why). I also started watching Warehouse 13, which also went streaming, and it is FANTASTIC! I love it when a pilot sucks me in.
But this post isn't about these shows, though it was going to be. No, I watched Lancelot Du Lac last night and my mind has been stuck on it ever since.
But this post isn't about these shows, though it was going to be. No, I watched Lancelot Du Lac last night and my mind has been stuck on it ever since.
And I am still in total denial about Lancelot.
I've tried to steer clear of reaction posts; keeping to my f-list because I realize as much as I feel the episode was awesome and painful and heartbreaking, it is also polarizing. However, I still find myself irritated to the point of soapboxing by rage posts that make blanket comments about how "everyone" detests the episode and TPTB are made of fail. I think everyone has a right to feel what they feel and certainly this ep made me feel things but, let's face it, online fandom is but a small subset and does not comprise the whole of fandom. To be honest, most of the people I know who are really into the show are not online and know NOTHING of the online fandom world. They do not know what the word slash even means and I am certainly not going to alter how they see and enjoy the show by talking about how there are fans out there who want to see Arthur and Merlin get it on. The feedback that I am getting from this different point of view is that this series is their favorite and it is better than ever. (*cough* Yes, they are getting the episodes from me with the promise to watch it on SyFy or buy on iTunes *cough*) So, to be clear, TPTB may have "messed it up" for some people but folks shouldn't presume that because they feel this way, EVERYONE must feel this way as well. I am usually pretty tolerant of the ships and viewpoints of others (equal opportunity shipper, remember) and I love me a good discussion but nothing, NOTHING gets my goat more than folks assuming to know what everyone wants and actor/director/writer/ bashing because the story didn't play out according to a certain fan group's rigid specifications!
End soapbox rant. On to other stuff.
I am one of the ones who had my heart broken last night but I feel that the show is making very bold choices. Yeah, it is a departure from the legend but isn't the whole series a retelling? If I am going to accept some variations I can't rant and rail when the variation doesn't suit my own personal speculation of how it "should" go? Truthfully, I don't think this show ever planned on showing too much of Arthur's reign, meaning that we would likely never get to the point of the betrayal from legend as that was part of the death spiral and this show hasn't even made it to the peak of Arthur's time.
Regarding Gwen and the enchantment. I think it was the perfect way to go and here is why. While I agree that there isn't always the best chemistry between Arthur and Gwen (and, again, this is my own opinion that does not presume that everyone must feel this way), the story is that she loves Arthur and, chemistry aside, I do believe that. The Gwen of this series is also fiercely loyal and she had just agreed to marry Arthur! For me, it would have been unbelievable for her to have dalliances with Lancelot without the enchantment no matter her current or past feelings. I think this enchantment was one of the most clever of the series thus far in that it acted upon feelings that were already there. And that is why no one put two and two together, not even Gwen! It also implies that everyone knew about these feelings, which is keeping with the legend. It breaks my heart that Morgana has done this to Gwen, maybe more so than when she tried to have her killed, if you can believe that. It hurts, but I can understand Morgana's hatred of Merlin. It really hurts, but I can believe she is so mad power hungry that she wants the throne and Arthur dead. But, Gwen. Her treatment of Gwen literally cuts me to the core.
The WTH's:
WTH, Merlin. You creeper stalker, you! I know this show is from his viewpoint but eavesdropping on the proposal is taking it a bit far!
WTH, Elyan? Your sister is being banished!!! The only thing I got is this sort of is in keeping with the time period.
WTH, Merlin, part 2. You just sit there and say nothing to Gwen as she leaves, lugging her laden cart behind her. I actually wanted to slap you for that!
WTH, Agravaine. I still don't know why you are siding with Morgana over Arthur but you are doing fantastic as the most hated villain, ever.
WTH, Lancelot. You can't really be gone, gone are ya?
WTH, Merlin, part 3. You made me think you were bringing Lancelot back to life. I kept looking at his bier thinking, is he breathing? IS HE DEAD?? And then you SET HIM ON FIRE!!
WTH, Bradley, Angel, and Colin. My heart cannot withstand your awesome powers of emoting. Santiago, how is it that your simple thank you ripped my heart clean out! It's gotten down right Pavlovian. Merlin tears up and I do as well. No fair ganging up on me like this!
You may have noticed that there is no WTH, Arthur. That is because I bought ALL OF IT, even that out of control fight. Why? Because I think he was also aware of Gwen's feelings toward Lancelot, at least subconsciously. Because we've seen him challenge his own father while in a similar state of anger and betrayal. Because, he'd just asked Gwen to marry him FCOL!! And I love Bradley here because I bought it all. I bought him shaking Gwen. I bought him coming down to earth after it was all over. Enough so that he could even talk to Gwen. I loved him. THIS IS ARTHUR! This is the Arthur that I see in the legends over and over again, a fallible but honorable person who tries to do the right thing and is betrayed and is hurt because of these betrayals because he loves those who betray him and in spite of their actions. This is the Arthur that I love and who my heart always breaks for. Over and over and over again.
Yep, the reveal, when it comes is going to be brutal!! BRUTAL! I hurt just thinking about it.
I've tried to steer clear of reaction posts; keeping to my f-list because I realize as much as I feel the episode was awesome and painful and heartbreaking, it is also polarizing. However, I still find myself irritated to the point of soapboxing by rage posts that make blanket comments about how "everyone" detests the episode and TPTB are made of fail. I think everyone has a right to feel what they feel and certainly this ep made me feel things but, let's face it, online fandom is but a small subset and does not comprise the whole of fandom. To be honest, most of the people I know who are really into the show are not online and know NOTHING of the online fandom world. They do not know what the word slash even means and I am certainly not going to alter how they see and enjoy the show by talking about how there are fans out there who want to see Arthur and Merlin get it on. The feedback that I am getting from this different point of view is that this series is their favorite and it is better than ever. (*cough* Yes, they are getting the episodes from me with the promise to watch it on SyFy or buy on iTunes *cough*) So, to be clear, TPTB may have "messed it up" for some people but folks shouldn't presume that because they feel this way, EVERYONE must feel this way as well. I am usually pretty tolerant of the ships and viewpoints of others (equal opportunity shipper, remember) and I love me a good discussion but nothing, NOTHING gets my goat more than folks assuming to know what everyone wants and actor/director/writer/ bashing because the story didn't play out according to a certain fan group's rigid specifications!
End soapbox rant. On to other stuff.
I am one of the ones who had my heart broken last night but I feel that the show is making very bold choices. Yeah, it is a departure from the legend but isn't the whole series a retelling? If I am going to accept some variations I can't rant and rail when the variation doesn't suit my own personal speculation of how it "should" go? Truthfully, I don't think this show ever planned on showing too much of Arthur's reign, meaning that we would likely never get to the point of the betrayal from legend as that was part of the death spiral and this show hasn't even made it to the peak of Arthur's time.
Regarding Gwen and the enchantment. I think it was the perfect way to go and here is why. While I agree that there isn't always the best chemistry between Arthur and Gwen (and, again, this is my own opinion that does not presume that everyone must feel this way), the story is that she loves Arthur and, chemistry aside, I do believe that. The Gwen of this series is also fiercely loyal and she had just agreed to marry Arthur! For me, it would have been unbelievable for her to have dalliances with Lancelot without the enchantment no matter her current or past feelings. I think this enchantment was one of the most clever of the series thus far in that it acted upon feelings that were already there. And that is why no one put two and two together, not even Gwen! It also implies that everyone knew about these feelings, which is keeping with the legend. It breaks my heart that Morgana has done this to Gwen, maybe more so than when she tried to have her killed, if you can believe that. It hurts, but I can understand Morgana's hatred of Merlin. It really hurts, but I can believe she is so mad power hungry that she wants the throne and Arthur dead. But, Gwen. Her treatment of Gwen literally cuts me to the core.
The WTH's:
WTH, Merlin. You creeper stalker, you! I know this show is from his viewpoint but eavesdropping on the proposal is taking it a bit far!
WTH, Elyan? Your sister is being banished!!! The only thing I got is this sort of is in keeping with the time period.
WTH, Merlin, part 2. You just sit there and say nothing to Gwen as she leaves, lugging her laden cart behind her. I actually wanted to slap you for that!
WTH, Agravaine. I still don't know why you are siding with Morgana over Arthur but you are doing fantastic as the most hated villain, ever.
WTH, Lancelot. You can't really be gone, gone are ya?
WTH, Merlin, part 3. You made me think you were bringing Lancelot back to life. I kept looking at his bier thinking, is he breathing? IS HE DEAD?? And then you SET HIM ON FIRE!!
WTH, Bradley, Angel, and Colin. My heart cannot withstand your awesome powers of emoting. Santiago, how is it that your simple thank you ripped my heart clean out! It's gotten down right Pavlovian. Merlin tears up and I do as well. No fair ganging up on me like this!
You may have noticed that there is no WTH, Arthur. That is because I bought ALL OF IT, even that out of control fight. Why? Because I think he was also aware of Gwen's feelings toward Lancelot, at least subconsciously. Because we've seen him challenge his own father while in a similar state of anger and betrayal. Because, he'd just asked Gwen to marry him FCOL!! And I love Bradley here because I bought it all. I bought him shaking Gwen. I bought him coming down to earth after it was all over. Enough so that he could even talk to Gwen. I loved him. THIS IS ARTHUR! This is the Arthur that I see in the legends over and over again, a fallible but honorable person who tries to do the right thing and is betrayed and is hurt because of these betrayals because he loves those who betray him and in spite of their actions. This is the Arthur that I love and who my heart always breaks for. Over and over and over again.
Yep, the reveal, when it comes is going to be brutal!! BRUTAL! I hurt just thinking about it.
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Date: 2011-11-27 06:36 pm (UTC)As for the rage rant, people have had a wide range of reactions to the episode. I would never presume to dictate what others should be feeling but I'm feeling very betrayed right now. But that's just me.
The reveal may be brutal. I hope so. We shall see.
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Date: 2011-11-27 07:15 pm (UTC)I would never presume to dictate what others should be feeling but I'm feeling very betrayed right now.
I am sorry you are feeling that way and it is perfectly understandable. I can't even decide how I feel about Lancelot, either. I'm still in shock and in denial thinking that the real Lancelot will return. Somehow. And I want that. And I don't. And I don't know. Argh!!!
But raging on actors and writers and even TPTB is so not cool to me, as I have seen the occasional Angel bashing in the past. I haven't seen any fans raging on one another for how they feel (or at least I haven't encountered what might be out there.)
For me, it's one thing to say "I don't like, at all, how this went down" and another thing entirely to say, "TPTB are stupid and have ruined the show for everyone, as we knew they would" or something to that effect.
I may not always like the direction the story goes. For instance, the lack of reveal, to someone, anyone, is really wearing on me this series. Maybe it is related to my apprehension of how brutal I suspect it is going to be when the reveal to Arthur happens. I do not agree with dragging it out like this even if I can see why they do. Lately, I have speculated as to how much more of that I can take. Argh! Someone besides Gaius needs to know. Merlin needs someone else in his corner..LOL!
But if it never happens, I will feel angry and betrayed. It won't negate how much I loved the show thus far, though. It will be a case of, loved the story but hated the ending.
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Date: 2011-11-27 07:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-11-27 10:17 pm (UTC)I hope you are right even if I suspect my heart will be trampled on by it.
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Date: 2011-11-27 08:01 pm (UTC)It sounds like you're doing well though. Have you been missing?! I haven't talked to you since my husband was in the hospital.
Putting together fandom Christmas cards and just looked up your address. Is the one I have from nearly a year ago still right? You haven't moved, have you?
How's your boy? How're you? We should text more often because LJ's dead most of the time nowadays. I'd like to keep up with your more if you don't mind. I miss talking to you.
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Date: 2011-11-27 10:02 pm (UTC)I'm still at the same address! (Same old, same old)
I've been missing talking to you as well and we should text more often. I'm always afraid of contacting folks at an inopportune time but, really, texting is like e-mail for your phone. People can respond at their leisure so I am surprised I don't text more often. Also, feel free to text anytime.
And I am so ready for another trip. Somewhere. Anywhere!!
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Date: 2011-11-27 08:59 pm (UTC)"WTH, Merlin. You creeper stalker, you! I know this show is from his viewpoint but eavesdropping on the proposal is taking it a bit far!"
Bwahahaha! YES!
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Date: 2011-11-27 10:08 pm (UTC)YES! THIS!!
All I have wanted to do today is read and talk about this episode. Plus, it is cold and rainy and I haven't left the house.
First, they broke my heart with The Wicked Day. Then, they ripped it out of my chest with Lancelot Du Lac.
I suspect at the end of the season, they will have thrown my poor, broken heart to the ground and will commence to stomping on it.
Problem is, I suspect we will be left heartbroken on a cliffie and will have to wait ages for the resolution. It's killing me in advance!